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This being a specific 'brand' of that, so to speak, doesn't seem particularly unusual, hah.

Maybe it’s just my brain trying to conceptualize his development as a tulpa into relating to growing up

Perhaps.

Do you know of how people, in their dreams, tend to have very wild and random and chaotic thought which revolves around strange internal logic that makes no sense from the outside or when lucid but is perfectly sensible when you're actively in the dream?

Right. Im not even sure if he wants it, considering he said he would grow back to 20 later on, but if thats the case then why does he still want to appear 13 or whatnkt

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Whatnot*

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Yeah

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Maybe hes just picking a form that hes currently comfortable with

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Relating to his development

I feel like there is something akin to that state of mind going on in cases like this, not necessarily being "in" a dream state, but having a similar "internal logic" that's hard to shake, even if it's just imaginary. I feel like my own logic is as dry and fantastic as a rock in the sun, but I also feel like some people have much more vivid and "out of control" natures to their head. I don't know if I'm just crazy there, and I can't so much say because in my experience I can just take control of all of it.

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But like, you can have songs stuck in your head, and that's a "thought" you cannot get rid of. You can have your tulpas age be that which matches their form, and that could be a "thought" you cannot get rid of.

I think i might understand what youre saying. I definently know it in a nature of a dream

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Ahh yeah

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The two are pretty similar

which things tend to get stuck may super vary depending on who is speaking or the state of their mind.

I get songs stuck in my head quite easily, hmm

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So for now I’ll just continue forcing him

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Hopefully he’ll be 20 or around that age again, and if not, then thats his decision

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Thanks for the help, guys

Here's hoping it goes well for you

I feel a lot better now

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Thanks

have any of yous guys tried adding subliminal messages to noise/music you force with?

No, I don't have good results with subliminals.

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I've gone the self-hypnosis route.

I think it may end up as a combo almost Im hiding myself saying stuffp rety much from linkzelda's self hypnosis thing in the noise file I'm going to use when forcing and as a sou nd blocker at night

12:37 AM

huh too many spaces

Theta beats may be better.

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I don't recall too well, but we used binaural.

I made one. Realised there's no clean way to encode true binaurals in MP3, listened to one, and noticed a huge amount of marketing in the sound design of a youtube binaural.

marketing?

They make it sound cooler.

1:35 AM

A lot cooler.

ahh, undermines the point then, I guess?

Yeah.

Hmm, I have done that.

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Oops, replying to something while scrolled up. I was replying to the "changing age based on development" idea.

I like the manga Ajin. It's good. But it can be pretty slow. It was the novelty of something new that got me through the first volume about two years ago but now that, supposedly, volume two is out and I'm rereading it, it would seem I'm struggling.

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The reason that I post this here is to say that even when doing things you consider fun can be a bit difficult to do. From what I've heard some people consider tulpa forcing fun. Others do it for necessity or because they're lonely. And when they run into the bottlenecks that come with it, they begin to doubt or reevaluate their reasons for doing it.

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All I might suggest is that you keep going. Even without the raw inspiration or motivation to do it, it's better to finish the race and meet a goal rather than quit half way. Who knows where something like creating a whole person inside your head may take you? /endthought (edited)

Hmm, I don't know if I agree. The goals need to be worth the work required, and one must know when they've engaged in a net deficient activity.

6:41 PM

It is better to realize you shouldn't have started halfway through than to begrudgingly humor an alternative personality without the desire to maintain everything properly. Also there is considerable risk of the issues caused by overly idealistic expectations for what it would be like to have a tulpa.

Such as?

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Also maybe I should have posted this in beginners as the intent to write this wasn't very large, but I suppose the goal would have been to inspire or uplift someone who may have been struggling. Anything past that was out of my hands. But now it seems like a conversation could be made out of it. So what's the risk?

So basically create a tupp then say "sorry bruh, didn't want it whoops" and leave forever instead of giving it a chance? Marriage counseling with you would be a nightmare.

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I'd ask AJ if shed rather I leave or slow down forever but she's asleep because I woke up in the middle of the night

The chances that someone will "throw away" a tulpa, I would assume are low. I wouldn't know statistically, but I'd wager that a majority amount of people in the world consider themselves morally "good" people.

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That said, assuming everyone here comes from a developed country where society labels what is "good" or "bad" most people would put thought into making a tulpa first.

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Those that rush in will either fail or give up because it got too hard.

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But to those that endure, I strongly doubt that they will get a result, finish the process, and then throw away a tulpa. For three reasons.

most people would put thought into making a tulpa first.

1: They put in the time and effort. Nobody likes to actively, knowingly, and purposefully waste their time. 2: Most people will view the tulpa as an extention of themselves. For most people the idea of letting apart of themselves go is either impossible or they unconsciously don't want to. 3: Finally, moral obligation. Society's norms really doesn't matter when it boils down to it, but people still follow certain etiquette and do things that will help then fit in. Although I would assume most that create tulpas would remain reticent on the subject with other people, that annoying little part of ourselves that follows society's rules would say that it would he wrong.

You have a dramatically more optimistic view of this than I do.

When a person discovers that the whole endeavor has been a giant waste of time that produces no positive results (or the combination of benefits and detriments lead to an overall detrimental outcome)

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When the time frame increases from just a few months to a few years, that sort of self-conditioned state can be hard to get away from. Especially if a person is experiencing psychological problems from it, which would weaken their state and lower their ability to cope with things.

That statement isn't to detract from the point that people should think about making a tulpa and, if they decide to go that route, continue and proceed to make the tulpa regardless.

It's not that my view is optimistic. It's that I doubt people's desire to make a tulpa once they realise the work that goes into it that makes me say that there aren't a overwhelming amount of people who make tulpas on a knee-jerk reaction.

That said, I think that there is a point where the tulpa is not... 'coherent' (for lack of a better term) yet, where backing out may be reasonable.

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Unfortunately, that is also typically when people are more excited at the prospect of doing something 'new'.

Jas, I'm having trouble understanding your previous statement. Please rephrase

I think at any point backing out might be reasonable. This is due to my own understanding of the state of my existence. If I have shown to be overall detrimental, then the act of disengaging from this practice would be identical to just about any practice of self-improvement. A person changes the "self" in ways that they find to be more beneficial or less detrimental.

I dont think approaching it from that perspective is particularly productive.

Could you explain why you think that?

@Jas Not all people. Some people have their families murdered and move on with their lives in relatively quick time frames. Some people get bullied in one school year, experience a relatively normal school life for the rest of their mandatory education, and still act like they're stuck in that one year of school. (edited)

This has inspired me to active force more, you made me feel bad. I think if you back out after any sentience is truly assumed or if any signs are seen, its like abandoning a child, and if you have a developed tupp you simply have no reason to do it.

Yes. In that case, self-development is the goal rather than... intending to make a tulpa. The goal is generally to make something more 'separate' to the initial 'person' rather than an extension of one's self.

Jack: I'm merely pointing out that there is a correlation between one's mental health and one's ability to cope with bad situations and/or change themselves to become better. In general, the more well-adjusted you are, the more effective your attempts at self-improvement would be. This is a similar general statement to a statement like "If your cardiovascular and respiratory systems are healthier you will be able to run faster or further than if you suffer in either quality"

Honestly I am not a fan of the utility view of tulpas, if you want a tool make a servitor, if you want an actual person to interact with make a tulpa. By seeing them as a tool you subconsciously put a ceiling on how they develope

I don't have anything you haven't heard before to say in the discussion of mental health. In fact, I'd rather stay away from that topic mostly because I don't have extended experience or real knowledge on the subject.

In terms of mental health, I do think that people making tulpas as a kind of utility tool for self-development may be better served with other meditative exercises and introspection.

@SkyeNet I understand that. I'm under the belief that one of the only reasons a person would decide to make a tulpa is if they see that this course of action would create a better future than avoiding that course of action. I am speaking in general, regardless of one's goal. Sometimes a person would start this practice with a misunderstanding of what exactly can be expected of a tulpa. Hypothetically, they would make sacrifices for an unattainable goal. Perhaps the end result to them would end up being worse than before, since they didn't have an understanding of the practice that was accurate.

Honestly if you are a !mentally healthy person you will most likely be better at self regulating doubt and stress caused by tupp creation. Someone on a spectrum of some sort will have troubles and need help. Jack made a fair statement.

By a fairly large degree as well.

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"Sometimes".

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I think that is why providing clear, well-supported information is extremely important.

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People seem to make tulpas fairly often with a warped view of what they actually are/end up being.

I am not trying to make statements of prescription, I am only stating what is generally true. There will always be fringe cases.

Jas: that is a statement that can be applies to all things a human being or even an animal does.

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So super true

Part of the reason why I think differentiating tulpas from other claims like "soulbonds" or "daemons" is extremely important.

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Mm. This is true.

Damne jas back at it again with the truth bombs

There will always be the fringe cases - mainly I don't think that approaching tulpas from a warped perspective is a fringe case.

I think the conversation is leaving anything I would rightly be able to add to.

It seems to me that it is more of the common case.

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But, dragging it back to what @Jack o' Nin9's was speaking about in the first place, I think that doing our best to make sure people understand what they are proposing to do when they say "I want to make a tulpa" is one of the most important things.

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Someone seeking self-actualization and another internal perspective may be better served trying to achieve the proposition of a "daemon" or similar.

^^^ Many people go in thinking tupps are schizo shit, or they make one just for weird sex or for some cringe god or something. I started week on this but my point is that, does anyone go in knowing precisely what a tupp is?

Someone seeking to play around with a character from an existing fictional narrative may be better served by referring them to make a 'soulbond'.

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@meowdude No, but that isn't any reason not to try and educate people first.

yes?

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lots of people do?

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???

I know, but I am just agreeing with what you said earlier, people going in with the wrong or semi wrong idea is not uncommon

not on the forum

Also about the fictional character thing... cough cough

people usually know what they're getting into pretty well from reading Progress Reports

...given how people act when they move from the forum to the chat, I am inclined to disagree with that notion.

I read all the guides and shit, I've been thinking of tupps since September of 2017.